I keep seeing this comparison come up. I understand why Ruger started this mess, since they were trying to sell their little carbine. But does anybody know a factory load with a bullet in the 165-170 grain range, or even a handload, that'll get it to 2000 fps? Especially from the short-barrelled guns it's usually shot from? That's the bullet weight on which 30 WCF gained its reputation, and I don't see that being a possibility in the tiny Russian case. Let's try a little honesty, especially when we're considering it for use in hunting!